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| Cable a écrit: | ce serais sympa de nous faire part de cette "brillante" démo 
et sinon je trouve ça un peu contraignant de changer de système a chaque fois
mais pourquoi pas ??
si c'est efficace
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Bonsoir Cable,
voici la démo:
Hello,
I'm working on a comparison of the different credit systems. But since it will take a lot of time before i finsih it (if ever ), in the mean time i'll try to explain in this thread how I handle credit systems on the morph. Don't hesitate to ask for explanations if i'm not clear enough (i'm french so i can use words "strangly" sometimes ).
I'm going to complete this post step by step.
First, how can we handle the credit systems to optimize our UL sessions :
The first thing we should know is to who we give, in order to know what we can expect to get back, and how fast.
Method :
I ran an upload session (= a session during which I don't download any file) with different credit systems. I looked for the evolution of my clients thanks to the clients.met file which you can open with metmedic for example, then I treated the base.
I put the result on the graphic on the left, axis :
X = number of chunks the client Uploaded to us
Y = number of chunks the client Downloaded from us
The surface of the sphere is ponderated by the number of clients in a square around its center (.125*.125)
Note : One chunk = 9,28 MB. It's an elementary part of a file, you always try to get or send complete chunks, that's why you can see clients concentrating above integer coordinates on the graphic.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4673/officialyy5.jpg
edited by Anoxieedited by Anoxieedited by Anoxie
The graphic on the right is the one of the credit system I used, axis :
X = number of MB the client Uploaded to us - scale = [0,1]
Y = number of MB the client Downloaded from us - scale = [0,40]
Z = Credits given to the client
I explain how the system handles new clients, the ones next to the Y axis.
Results :
Eastshare :
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uleastshareclientsrr0.jpg
The linear decrease of the credits allow the system to give to new clients and to older ones fewer and fewer. Result is you get a linear decrease in the number of clients with 1, 2, 3 chunks and so on.
Difference with the official credit system which gives the same credit = 1 to all these clients : Eastshare pushes the clients with the fewer credits. You get more clients with less credits though not too few credits, i would say the right number of clients with the right amount of credit.
Lovelace :
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ullovelaceclientsgy1.jpg
The decrease is sharper after the two first chunks, result is you concentrate more clients with less credits on the two first chunks.
Pawcio :
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ulpawcioclientsjz9.jpg
The decrease is brutal, it gives much to the new clients and much less to the other ones. Result is you get many clients with one chunk.
Now you can see which one is best depending on what you intend to do : Having many clients owing credits to you ensures a fast DL but on the other hand the number of clients owing to you determine how you will be able to mobilize those credits (more easily with more clients) and how long you will benefit from them since this number determines the amount of credits each client owes you.
To put it in a nutshell : the more clients the less credit per client the quicker and shorter you will benefit from your "loan", the less clients with more credits the slower and longer you will benefit from your "loan".
Strategy Eastshare for UL + Lovelace (and PBF) for DL :
http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lovelacepbfengsc5.jpg
Why do I use Lovelace to DL ? Because it rewards most efficiently the good uploaders. It keeps them on a track between the two black lines ( graphic on the left) where my credit ranges from 2 to 3,5 by them.
Why do I use Eastshare to UL ? Because I have a maximum of clients owing me more than 3 chunks. You can see on the graph on the right that Lovelace gives back credits when my credit = 1, assuming clients apply the official credit system, to clients owing 1 or 2 chunks ( 1 and 2 on the right graphic) but when my credit is still 2 to clients owing me 3 chunks (3 on the right graphic).
To draw a comparison, if you use Pawcio for UL + Lovelace for DL, it will take much more time for your new clients to reach the "optimal functioning zone" of Lovelace, which is the area between the two black lines. BUT if you've got less time to UL ie less credits to give or/and a limited bw for your UL, it can turn out to be a better strategy.
Here is the evolution on my clients applying this strategy (graphic on the left) :
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2472924938td7.jpg
blue = increasing number of clients
white = decreasing number of clients
My clients are above the diagonal, assuming they apply the official credit system, I have a credit ranging from 2 to more than 4-5 by most of them. You can clearly see a part of the clients from who i downloaded (the white circles on the Y axis).
Which is to compare to Lovelace as unique credit system (graphic on the right). Most of them are offset on the right, new ones comes from 0 or 1, before you reward them actively with Lovelace you must be "in the red" by them, with credits ranging from 1 to 2. I downloaded slower.
Note that the ratio between my UL and my DL sessions is not the same in these two examples.
Bonne soirée.
pll
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sur zenzone on veux un forum pour les utilisateurs amateurs et nonpa un forum élitiste c'est pour ca que les tutos sont simplifiés et qu'on ne rentre jamais dans les détails et trop compliqué
a la différence du site officiel donc je ne pense pas que ca aide
mais merci quand meme 
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| Cable a écrit: | sur zenzone on veux un forum pour les utilisateurs amateurs et nonpa un forum élitiste c'est pour ca que les tutos sont simplifiés et qu'on ne rentre jamais dans les détails et trop compliqué
a la différence du site officiel donc je ne pense pas que ca aide
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Bonsoir Cable,
moi non plus, je ne voudrais pas d' un forum élitiste .
Je n' avais proposé que la conclusion car elle est tout à fait accessible.
J' ai envoyé l' étude à ta demande  . Elle est ardu  .
Mais mon but est juste de faire profiter du résultat aux autres .
Je suis ouvert aux commentaires de ceux qui essayeront.
Amicalement.
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bon des que j'ai un moment j'essayerai de traduire ce petit texte
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désoler pour les fautes en avance
voila j'ai emule morphxt 11.3 aujourd'hui
je rechecher la configuration pour ma connection internet
mes valeur 5400/900
j'ai beau changer le sytem crédie et reconfigurer rien a faire, sa n'avances pas des masse
il y a t'il un tuto pour emule 0.49c[MorphXT11.3]
merci de vos réponse et désoler si je me suis tromper su choix pour mettre a discution
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merci de ta réponse
je tes fait un imprétion de l'écran aussi
et regarde moi rien et activer je repasserai te dire quoi aprés avoir consulter le tuto que tu ma laisser
je t'en remerci
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